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		<title>By: Vance Carruth</title>
		<link>http://www.jhunderground.com/2009/11/21/healthy-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-70825</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance Carruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here we are again, almost two months further down the road and the final battle is about to be waged on Health Care Reform for America after 60 years of debate!  It may not end up being what any of us hoped for, but we can aspire to make it better over time and it&#039;s a dam sight better than what&#039;s in place right now.

I, for one, look forward to the day every American can afford good quality health care in America...we&#039;d all benefit from a healthier, happier population of productive citizens and that&#039;s what it should be all about...not the political football where whoever wins the debate wins the next election regardless of the merits of their arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here we are again, almost two months further down the road and the final battle is about to be waged on Health Care Reform for America after 60 years of debate!  It may not end up being what any of us hoped for, but we can aspire to make it better over time and it&#8217;s a dam sight better than what&#8217;s in place right now.</p>
<p>I, for one, look forward to the day every American can afford good quality health care in America&#8230;we&#8217;d all benefit from a healthier, happier population of productive citizens and that&#8217;s what it should be all about&#8230;not the political football where whoever wins the debate wins the next election regardless of the merits of their arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://www.jhunderground.com/2009/11/21/healthy-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-70472</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have time to address all the complaints right now, but let me talk about the number of &quot;illegals.&quot; The Census Bureau said there are around 9 or 10 million &quot;noncitizens,&quot; which is NOT the same as &quot;illegals.&quot; For a thorough discussion on the numbers, please see http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

Also, I have had very good experiences with the DMV and the Post Office--getting a physical object delivered in 3 days to the opposite coast for 44 cents is not bad, and as a mail order retailer, I use Priority Mail all the time with great success. Then there are schools, highways, police, fire department, regulated utilities (remember what happened with Enron?), etc. Not all the government does is bad. We&#039;ll leave the IRS aside for the moment :)

I should stop now but just one more thing...the uninsured need to be brought into the system not just for their own good, but for all of us. Think of it as a social responsibility, like paying your taxes and having car insurance. I know, there&#039;s the IRS again. But without it we wouldn&#039;t have a lot of the services we take for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time to address all the complaints right now, but let me talk about the number of &#8220;illegals.&#8221; The Census Bureau said there are around 9 or 10 million &#8220;noncitizens,&#8221; which is NOT the same as &#8220;illegals.&#8221; For a thorough discussion on the numbers, please see <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/" rel="nofollow">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/</a></p>
<p>Also, I have had very good experiences with the DMV and the Post Office&#8211;getting a physical object delivered in 3 days to the opposite coast for 44 cents is not bad, and as a mail order retailer, I use Priority Mail all the time with great success. Then there are schools, highways, police, fire department, regulated utilities (remember what happened with Enron?), etc. Not all the government does is bad. We&#8217;ll leave the IRS aside for the moment <img src='http://www.jhunderground.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I should stop now but just one more thing&#8230;the uninsured need to be brought into the system not just for their own good, but for all of us. Think of it as a social responsibility, like paying your taxes and having car insurance. I know, there&#8217;s the IRS again. But without it we wouldn&#8217;t have a lot of the services we take for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
		<link>http://www.jhunderground.com/2009/11/21/healthy-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-70465</link>
		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45 or 46 million without health insurance is a totally fraudulent statistic. About 14 million of these are eligible for existing government programs such as SCHIP or Medicaid but have not signed up. A significant number of this oft cited 45 million could choose to purchase insurance, but choose not to. Many have incomes in excess of $50k. 18 million of the uninsured are under aged 34, meaning mostly young and healthy and would rather spend money on things other than premiums. Some of these groups of people overlap, for example many who have not signed up for Medicaid but are eligible are also under the age of 34. Finally 10 or 12 million in the 45 cited are actually in the United States illegally. So what you are really left with is probably around 8 -12 million truly uninsurable people. Obama himself says his plan does not cover illegals, so that must mean the number of uninsured immediately falls to around 35 million right off the bat...

This last category of truly uninsurable people needs to be addressed; some way to extend coverage to them should be found. However it is not necessary to upend the entire health care system to accomplish this. And patently fraudulent statistics should not be thrown around in support of overhauling the system.

Before you throw in behind a scheme to nationalize the health care industry, think about your experiences with the DMV, the Transportation Security Administration, the IRS, the Post Office and all of your other encounters with heavily unionized work forces. If you think that is a good model, by all means support govt healthcare. Otherwise you should think twice about what is being proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45 or 46 million without health insurance is a totally fraudulent statistic. About 14 million of these are eligible for existing government programs such as SCHIP or Medicaid but have not signed up. A significant number of this oft cited 45 million could choose to purchase insurance, but choose not to. Many have incomes in excess of $50k. 18 million of the uninsured are under aged 34, meaning mostly young and healthy and would rather spend money on things other than premiums. Some of these groups of people overlap, for example many who have not signed up for Medicaid but are eligible are also under the age of 34. Finally 10 or 12 million in the 45 cited are actually in the United States illegally. So what you are really left with is probably around 8 -12 million truly uninsurable people. Obama himself says his plan does not cover illegals, so that must mean the number of uninsured immediately falls to around 35 million right off the bat&#8230;</p>
<p>This last category of truly uninsurable people needs to be addressed; some way to extend coverage to them should be found. However it is not necessary to upend the entire health care system to accomplish this. And patently fraudulent statistics should not be thrown around in support of overhauling the system.</p>
<p>Before you throw in behind a scheme to nationalize the health care industry, think about your experiences with the DMV, the Transportation Security Administration, the IRS, the Post Office and all of your other encounters with heavily unionized work forces. If you think that is a good model, by all means support govt healthcare. Otherwise you should think twice about what is being proposed.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.jhunderground.com/2009/11/21/healthy-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-70445</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
If you ask me this pretty much sums it all up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.<br />
If you ask me this pretty much sums it all up.</p>
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